Carlos Whittaker is a bestselling author, speaker, and host of a powerful global community affectionately known as his "Instafamilia." Known for creating spaces—both online and in person—where people feel truly seen, Carlos lives by the motto: "Don’t stand on issues, walk with people."
In this episode, Carlos Whittaker shares his journey from a high school student struggling to fit in to a celebrated voice for connection and authenticity. He opens up about the impact of panic attacks on his identity, the lessons he’s learned about balancing technology and real-life relationships, and the pivotal moments that shaped his mission to help others breathe easier through community and conversation.
He shares:
- How struggles with fitting in and facing panic attacks shaped his calling to help others feel seen
- Why authenticity, vulnerability and "walking with people" are more powerful than standing on issues
- How 2020 changed the way he approached social media, technology and real-world community
- The importance of finding peace by disconnecting and reconnecting with simple joys and hobbies
- Why asking if technology brings us closer—or drives us apart—is essential to living a meaningful life
Show chapters
- 00:00 – Introduction to Carlos Whittaker
- 02:45 – High School Carlos: The Journey of Fitting In
- 06:07 – Panic Attacks and Finding Identity
- 08:55 – Walking with People: A Shift in Perspective
- 12:09 – The Impact of 2020 on Social Media Engagement
- 15:02 – The Inhaler Metaphor: Breathing Life into Others
- 18:09 – Reconnecting: A Journey of Disconnection
- 21:01 – Balancing Social Media and Real Life
- 23:58 – The Power of Community and Relationships
- 27:13 – Finding Joy in Hobbies and Friendships
Meet our guest
Transcript
Justin McCord
So, I wanna know about little Carlos. Like, I want―‘cause I feel like I know who you are today, and I've been warned that I can't fanboy, and it's part of our conversation, but I feel like I know who you are today, but I'm curious about like, let's talk about high school Carlos and like, that version of Carlos and how that version has informed who Carlos is today.
Carlos Whittaker
I did not know that I was going to be sitting in my therapist's office chair today. But let's go back to little Carlos and how what happened to little Carlos has affected who I am. No, that's a great question, Justin. I love it. You know, I think that high school Carlos, let's go to high school Carlos before we get to little, little Carlos.
High school Carlos, man, was just just trying to fit in, just trying to like hang out with the popular kids, doing everything he could. High school Carlos was like this, you know, young, light-skinned, Afro, Latino/Black kid in a 99.9 % Southern redneck white high school that I was trying my hardest to like dress like my friends, talk like my friends, like the same kind of music of my friends. All while having an Afro, and they didn't know what to do with the Afro on my head, right?
And so, I, you know, it's funny because I feel like a lot of my attempts at trying to fit in really inform kind of who I am today: seeing people that I know every single day are, maybe they, they're trying to be on the inside of whatever subculture they're living in, but they're just not there.
And gosh, man, if there's one thing that I could go back and tell 16-year-old Gary Coleman, Afro party down the side, Carlos is like, man, listen, I know you're trying your hardest to fit into this group, these 17 people right now, but trust me, be patient. And by you seeing people just like you, you're gonna develop a tribe that you've never, that you could never even imagine, never even fathom.
And so, man, a lot of high school Carlos was just copy and pasting what his friends were doing so that he fit in.
Where? You have such a strong sense of identity now. Can you not?
Carlos Whittaker
Yeah, it's a great question. Well, one in particular was, I think, after years and years, even in the young adulthood of just trying to fit in, you know? I mean, man, dude, I was, I think back, and I just laugh because I'm like, I tried so hard. Like, I just tried to … you look at, you know, you look at photos of yourself, and I just think like, man, I was really trying hard to fit in with Nathan Brown because look at how I'm dressed. I'm dressed like Nathan Brown. My gosh, I was really trying. Look what I was listening to, you know?
And I think for me, actually, when life kind of came crashing down for me was when I had my first, like, panic attack, like legitimate, like earth-shattering, future-shifting panic attack at like, 23 years old. I was actually like, on stage in front of a bunch of people doing music and had this horrendous panic attack. I thought I was having a heart attack. I got lightheaded, was about to pass out. And then for like, I don't know, like, three or four months after that, I couldn't even leave my home. Like, I was like home-ridden. Like, if I tried to back down the driveway, I like, was stricken with panic.
So, you know, life has a, has a way of really kind of realigning what's important. And I realized in that, in that season of like, just kind of overcoming a lot of anxiety and stress in my life, that I think I was placing a lot of that on my own shoulders by this like, desire to fit in and this desire to make sure that the world was going to accept me. And, you know, not that that was the reason for my anxiety and my panic, but when, and I think this is when it clicked for me because I remember sharing―now remember, this was probably, this is like, baby internet era. Okay? So like, we're talking about you have to, you had to remember ‘www’ before you typed, you know? I had a blog. This is before social media, you know? Like, I was like, you know, I was a blogger, and I would like, write down like, two or three paragraphs of my thoughts on my Typepad or WordPress blog every day. And I would hit, and I'd send it into the world.
And I'll never forget, I was like two months into being home-ridden because of my panic and my anxiety, and I started taking Paxil. It's like SSRI. It's like anxiety medicine. And I posted a photo of me taking it and, I just will never forget; I'll never forget the hundreds and hundreds of comments I got from people going like, my gosh, you, you have anxiety too? You, you do too? And suddenly, Justin, like, I started hearing from all these people that felt invisible, that suddenly me just showing, just being visible, and being vulnerable and being authentic in a really crappy part of my life gave voice to a lot of people that didn't feel like they had a voice before.
And so, I think that was the first time that I felt like, wait a second, I think I can shift the narrative here. I think that instead of trying to fit in with the 17 people I'm trying to fit in with, what if I just try to see the 1,700 people that feel invisible? And then boom, it's like a thing started at that point, right? And then it just kind of began there.
So I think that was, for me, a definite moment of clarity that maybe trying to fit in isn't the goal here; maybe helping other people feel seen is.
Justin McCord
Wow.
Ronnie Richard
That's incredible. You know, I think going from high school where, you know, I think we all went through periods of trying to fit into the right click because in high school, everything kind of sorts into certain boxes, right? And then you get out a little bit into college, then you get out into the world, and you start to see this, that all that stuff doesn't matter as much. So a couple of the things that I took―so, for our listeners, Carlos just spoke at one of our events and had some really powerful messages. And one of the messages I took was, ‘Don't stand on issues, walk with people.’ And you were just kind of explaining that. Take us through how you're started to formulate this idea of, it's okay to be different, and let's talk to each other. How did that go from that moment to building out to where you are today?
Carlos Whittaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you guys want to go here, but let's just go here. So, so like, like it was for me, it was―I'm going to say, I'm going to say a word, and everyone's going to feel like it's a cuss word. The word is: 2020. So, it was 2020. And that triggers a lot of feelings for a lot of people. But I just remember that I had―remember, remember I was blogger Carlos Whittaker, right? For a long time, like, I was blogging. And then I built the social media following. And a lot of my social media following in 2020 was like, look at this family guy. And like, you know, like, he takes his family on vacations and vlogs it, and he’ll look at the robins that are laying the eggs in his gutters, and he films that every day. Like, what a wholesome Mr. Rogers kind of dude. Like, this is awesome.
And then 2020 happened, and I had the option to post something that had to do with justice on my page. And I just will never forget. I posted a video, and the video was like, you know, how my white friends can help the Black community or their Black friends in this moment. I can't remember what it was. It, again, was the most like, vanilla, Mr. Rogers kind of like, Hey everybody, like, let's talk about this. I wasn't calling anybody names. I was, I was just kind of being, you know …
Well, I just, I'll never forget, overnight, I think I lost one third of my entire followers on Instagram. And when they left, they let me know it. I mean, my DMS, they were, they let me know. And I just remember ...
Justin McCord
Hmm.
Carlos Whittaker
… waking up the next morning to all these, you know―again, tens of thousands of followers were gone―and hitting delete on the video because I was trying to like, holy crap, like, gotta like, save face. Like, I gotta, I gotta stop the bleeding. So I'm going to delete it and then apologize. Right? And this is the craziest thing. I went, and I hit delete, and I don't know if Instagram even does this anymore, but at least in 2020, when I hit delete, another pop-up popped up on the screen and said, “Are you sure?” And I just remember that that “Are you sure?” pop-up literally changed my life because I said “No,” and I clicked “No,” and I left it.
And then began … because if I would have clicked “Yes,” who, like, I may have gotten a few thousand people back, I would have, but I know that I wouldn't have been―leading to the phrase, Ronnie, that you just talked about, ‘Don't stand on issues, walk with people,’ because I suddenly, I suddenly realized, wait a second man, like, people are really fired up and passionate about this, like, like a lot of people that have followed me for a decade, they read my blog, they cussed me out on the way out the door. Like, they really feel passionate.
So I started to really speak into this, and I started to speak into the current cultural climate of 2020, things that were happening, but I did it in a grace, in what I tried to do as a grace-filled way. I tried to have these hard, crucial conversations in a grace-filled way.
And then a friend of mine, Mike Ashcroft, he gets all the credit for that phrase because he told me, he said, Carlos, when somebody asks you where you stand on this issue, right?―because 2020 was the year of issues; everyone had an opinion on an issue―he started asking me, where do you stand on this issue? And I tell him, and he's like, OK, but you just, you literally just cut off half your audience. What about this issue? Where do you stand on it? I told him. He's like, OK, you cut off the other half. And then he's like, when people ask me where I stand on an issue, I tell them very simply, I've got an opinion on that issue, but I don't stand on that issue. I walk with the people that are affected by that issue.
So he told me that, and all of a sudden I was like, holy cow, I think that changed my life. Like, that is literally what I want to teach people to do, not stand still on issues but walk with people that don't look like them, think like them, believe like them, vote like them, love like them, all the things like them. And that just felt so central to who I was that that became kind of my community's mantra, our ethos, right? Like, it is what we believe in. I kind of, for about two years, built everything, all of my content, everything really around that phrase, and slowly but surely began to unpack what does that look like?
And again, where I land now, I don't really say that phrase a lot. I do every once in a while, but, now I've kind of shifted into more of a curiosity mindset, helping people be curious. Again, it's all, it's all the same thing. Curiosity leads to empathy; empathy leads to trust; trust leads to relationship; relationship leads to change. And ultimately, people are desiring change, but they have to be curious first. Then they have to do all these steps in the middle. And that's really kind of my messaging now, how I'm helping people really accomplish this whole idea of don't stand on issues, but walk with people.
Justin McCord
It was a powerful moment when you shared that at our event; the entire 22 minutes was powerful, and you had shared with me beforehand the, you know, from our first conversation you said, I get it; I understand. I want to breathe life into the audience. I want to be the inhaler for the asthmatic
And I want you to reflect on that, but I cannot have this conversation without interjecting what I observed in your vulnerability from our first conversation up until the shift. And that was you displaying and walking out your life and the loss of your father over that time period. And I got to tell you, like, you were on my mind often as we built towards the event.
And so, how much, I want you to reflect on the idea of being the inhaler, but how much also did you need an inhaler of sorts as you worked towards that speaking opportunity carrying out this new season of life?
Carlos Whittaker
Yeah. Yeah, you know, I do remember, you know? I mean, not only do I remember you because you have the coolest artwork behind you―you know, there's a lot of Zooms that I don't remember the people I'm talking to, you know?―I remember Justin, right? And I remembered just your heart for the people that were going to be in the room. How we, bro, when I walked on that stage, I could see it in there. I could, I could see it. These people have, they have a hard job. They are exhausted. And what was cool was that I felt just as exhausted when I got on that stage. Like, it's like I looked, and I was like, you too. Like, like, like I didn't say that, but I felt that I was like, okay, wait a second, we are, we are each other's people. You're going to get me. I'm going to get you, you know? And when I did say that, you know, again, the inhaler to an asthmatic, it's because, you know―and I think I did say this in the talk―like, we don't know, like, when you've been like, suffocating for so long, like, you don't even know that you're not breathing, right? And finally, when you get a breath, it's just like, I mean, I did, I walked off that stage, and I had a freaking breath in my lungs. And even my son was like, dad―my son was there. I took my son with me, and he, you know, he's heard my, he's heard all my stories. He's a real thing, but he was like, there was something different. There was something different tonight. Like, you were just, you felt, you felt free. Like dad, it was just so good. He was like, so proud of me. I got all teary. We talked at a restaurant afterwards. He's just telling me how proud he was of me, how great I did. And I just think it's because, Justin, it did like, not only did the shift feel like that for me, but I hope that I was that for them.
You know, as I walk through this season, I mean, this is the tail end of a season of, you know, I moved my parents into the home across the street from me here in Nashville, only because my father has dementia, and I wanted to be with him the last few years of his life. I haven't lived near my dad and my mom in decades. So I moved them in, and I do. For the last 18 months, I got to walk my father to his death bed. And not too long ago, he, not too long, especially, before I did your event, he passed away.
And I know that I like, shared that so vulnerably on Instagram. Why? This goes back to seeing people. This goes back to walking with people because so many people feel invisible that are in that season of life. And so, you know, as I walked toward your event, towards, you know, the shift, I got up on that stage, and gosh, I may have only spoken once or twice in between my father's death and when I stood on that stage, but my father was an incredible orator. He was just like, I mean, he was, he, he was so incredible at his gift. And so, when I get to stand on a stage now and kind of like be an echo or a guitar-delay pedal of my father's giftings, man, it’s like an inhaler to an asthmatic for me.
And so, you know, I thank you for even giving me the gift and the opportunity to do that in front of such a, I don't know who's listening to this, but if you've never been to this thing, I'm telling you, like, I'm, I'm trying to figure out how to get Justin to have me back just every year. Maybe I can MC it, but it was so …
Justin McCord
Ha
Carlos Whittaker
… ike, life-giving to everybody that was in the room the entire evening. It was such a freaking jolt of goodness. So, thank you for doing that,
Justin McCord
Are you kidding? Like, I have goosebumps all over my legs right now, Carlos. Like just, yeah, it was such a special evening, and there was something in the air. There was something in the air in the room.
Carlos Whittaker
It was such a special evening. And there was something in the air. There was, in the air. Yes, agreed. Absolutely agreed.
Ronnie Richard
Carlos, I wanna back up a little bit and connect the dots a little here. You're talking about seeing other people, walking with other people, understanding where people are coming from. And one of the big things that we see today is how social media divides us, right? And so you wrote a book, you wrote a book, “Reconnected,” and talked about this journey you had of disconnecting. Tell our listeners a little bit about that and that journey that you went on.
Carlos Whittaker
Yeah, for sure. You know, so before I wrote “Reconnected,” I wrote a book called “How to Human.” And the subtitle to that book was “Three Ways to Share Life Beyond What Distracts, Divides, and Disconnects Us.” And when I was writing that book, I felt like, okay, like, like, I think I, you know, like, I think I'm like the right guy to write this, but I just felt like I hadn't really done it. Like, even when I, when I finished, I was like, I'm talking about how to human, but like, have I really figured out how to disconnect, figure out what's dividing us?
Ronnie Richard
Haven't walked a walk. Yeah.
Carlos Whittaker
Walked it out. And so, this book “Reconnected” was almost like, you know, it was almost like the “How to Human” experiment. And what I did was I, yeah, I, you know, these screens that we scroll on are literally just ecosystems of rage that we're swimming in all day long. And so I did, for seven-and-a-half weeks, I didn't look at a single screen, not an Apple phone, a laptop, iPhone, Apple watch, nothing, no TVs, nothing. And I lived with monks, and I lived with Amish farmers. And I lived with my family completely detached from screens. I got my brain scanned by neuroscientists because I know some people need data, and some people need that kind of stuff. So I gave those people a little bit of that.
And I'm telling you what, I have never in my entire adult life been more at peace than those seven-and-a-half weeks. Like, you don't even have to read the book. You don't have to watch the documentary. I just, hear me tell you that I've not felt as peaceful as I felt in those seven-and-a-half weeks. And it was a true, it was a true application of ‘Don't stand on issues, walk with people’ because here's the thing, like, I'm not a monk. Okay? These, these dudes, they live that way for a reason. They've taken these vows for a reason, and I've not taken those vows. So we look at the world through different lenses. The Amish. I'm not Amish for a reason. They're Amish for reasons. And so we vehemently disagree on a whole lot of stuff. Me and Farmer Willis―I was literally just with Willis three days ago. I went up to Ohio to hang out with him again, and we're like homeboys, right? Like, we are such good friends, but we view the world completely differently, and we disagree on a lot of issues. We disagree on, gosh, I mean, almost like, every ... it seems, here's the kicker: It actually seems like we disagree until we start having conversations, and it's still until we start having these 90-minute dinners and these two-hour lunches. And suddenly like, when we have breath-to-breath conversations, I think a lot of times at the end of the conversation, like, well, maybe we actually are seeing this thing a lot more alike than we thought.
Malcolm Gladwell just did this thing, I heard him on a podcast a few months ago, where he talked about how he took―it was the social experiment―he took like, I think it was a hundred, a hundred people. Fifty of them were like, ultra, ultra-left leaning. Fifty of them were ultra, ultra-right leaning. And he got them together, but he didn't tell them that they were separate. He didn't tell them that they were, so, and they all think they're the same people. They're in there, they're hanging out, they're hanging out. Then he put them at tables, two by two across from each other. And then he had them write on a piece of paper like, the top 20 things that they're the most passionate about. And I think the ending average that they found out was like, 18 out of 20 of the things were the exact same thing. And then he was like, by the way, this is who you're sitting across from. And it blew everybody's minds. And again, it's the power of connection. It's the power of breath. It's the power of eye to eye. It's the power of relationship. And we've lost it. We've completely lost the ability to do this because we've been tricked by these screens into thinking that this is how we're supposed to human, and we're not, man. I love AI. I use it every week, but HI, human intelligence, this is like, we gotta get back to it.
Ronnie Richard
Yeah, I thought that was really powerful. I wrote a LinkedIn post referencing your speech, and I had sort of been taking a social media detox of my own just naturally, and I hadn't even realized it had been three months since I had posted on LinkedIn just because I've been trying to dial back a little bit. And so, with you and your Instagram following, and obviously, you know, we're all in marketing, you have to promote things, right? How do you balance that …
Carlos Whittaker
Wow. Yes.
Ronnie Richard
… that struggle of being on social media but not over consuming it? ‘Cause you know what you know now, right?
Carlos Whittaker
Yeah, yeah, no, I … you know what you know; once you know it, you can't unknow it. And, and you know … and I did, man, I had a hard time. I don't want to let everybody think that like, I took seven-and-half weeks off, and then I just jumped back in, and everything was awesome. No, like, I didn't want to pick my phone up again. Like, I didn't want to. I was like, I don't know, can I become a fly-fishing guy? Like, what can I do so I don't have to be on my phone? And then fly-fishing guys like, need their phones too. And so, I'm just like, the monks were on their phones. The Amish had phones. I'm like, Lord have mercy. Like, everyone's got a phone. What are we supposed to do?
And so, you know, how I balance it now, here's the beautiful thing: I'm on my phone two-and-a-half to three hours a day now. I used to be on my phone seven-and-a-half hours a day, right? So I've, I've got like, five hours a day back on my―that's two-and-a-half months a year of living! Like, already I'm like, like, I am like, living two-and-a-half more months than the rest of my friends are a year, which is awesome.
But I think when it comes to, you know, like, social media, I just, I just realized that like, it's gotta be a tool for me. It is a tool for me to get the word out. And I'm actually right now in the midst of me trying to figure out even my new relationship with social media, even after my father passed away. You know, like, things like that happen, and it just throws you, spins you another 180 degrees. And I'm like, well, do I ... do I actually want to, every single day, still like wake up and pour my coffee in front of a camera and say, when I see 300,000 people, “Welcome to my life”? Let's, you know, let's kind of, do I still want to do that? Do I have to do that? I just think, Ronnie, that it's, that it's important enough of a question for us to continue to ask ourselves all the time: Is how I'm, how I'm being, how I'm using social media the way I need to keep using social media in this season?
You know, I think, I think five years ago, it looked a certain way, and I probably needed to use it that way. Maybe now it's going to be more me creating long-form videos that my team posts, and people can share them and stuff, but maybe I'm just not on Instagram as much. You know, like … so I just think that it's an important question that we have to keep asking ourselves. The Amish ask themselves, and I can't remember if I shared this in the keynote, but they ask themselves two questions when they introduce a new piece of technology into their lives. Right? So you will see, the Amish from a hundred years ago were way more conservative than the Amish now, right? So like, the Amish now are riding e-bikes. Like, they're not just horse and buggy, you know? Like, my gosh, these liberal Amish people, you know, like they're … but the question they ask themselves is this: Is this piece of technology that we are thinking about incorporating into our culture going to bring us closer to community and each other or take us farther away from community? And that's the question.
So I ask myself, is social media, how I use it right now, bringing me closer to community or farther away? And I think we just have to ask ourselves that question. I think it's a really important question for us to ask.
Justin McCord
I think that you could apply that same, the sentiment of that same question to all aspects of life, and of leadership, and of leading teams and of, you know, so many different dimensions. Is this decision going to bring us closer together? Is it gonna bring, you know, foster community, or is it going to separate me from community?
Carlos Whittaker
Yeah. No, absolutely. You know, and Farmer Willis was like …
Ronnie Richard
Totally.
Carlos Whittaker
… Carlos, that's why we don't have cars. Like, we can do, we decided to do e-bikes and not cars. Why? Well, it's not that we don't believe in the wheel. Obviously, we roll around on e-bikes, but a car is going to take us way farther away from each other. If Sally Smith's barn burns down, we're not going to be able to rebuild that thing in 48 hours if we're all across the country. But because we force ourselves to stay close together, because an e-bike or a horse and buggy can only get us so far away, we will always be able to return back to each other within hours if somebody needs help. That's their decision making. And I think you're right, Justin, that's something we can apply to all forms of leadership in our lives.
Justin McCord
I connect so much of what you do to a version of mission and ministry and the way in which you live your life. So, as someone that is so purpose-filled, what breathes life into you? You spend so much of your time breathing life into others, whether or not that's the content that you create or, you know, the speaking that you do. What breathes life into you when you're not in front of the little red light?
Carlos Whittaker
Yeah, no, that's great. I mean, my friends, like―and when I say that, I say that sometimes the word friends can just sound so, I don't know ... For me, I've had a hard time making friends. I've had a hard time actually finding, or being, not finding, being a good friend. And I've made a very intentional shift in my life the last few years to be a great friend to other people. And it's blown my world apart in a great way how, like, being an intentional friend to somebody else has created these incredibly great relationships for me. Like now it's like, I'm like … Listen, I know some people, like, the only way they can find relationships because of some situation in their life is through their screens, through the little red dot. But breath-to-breath, face-to-face conversations with my friends, Ketrick, Rob, Dan, like, I've got them here in Nashville, and, and they do that. That's how I get refueled.
And what we do are two things. I either fish with my friends, or I play pickleball with my friends. Those are like, the two things that breathe life into me, and I do those things all the time. You will rarely see, unless I'm with―I take one of my family members, if I'm on a trip somewhere―I always have my fly-fishing rod in my suitcase, and I'll even, like, I've fly fished in the nasty canals in Dallas, Texas. Like, going through, like, I will, if there's a tug at the end of my line, it's the drug for me. And I am like, I love it.
So those are things that I do, you know, to make sure that I'm feeling rested, I'm make sure that I'm feeling refreshed. Isolation is one of the most dangerous things that can happen to any of us. And so, you know, my big thing is for community, and community doesn't have to be a thousand people. Find yourself one, two or three people that can breathe life into you. And that's what really breathes life into me.
Justin McCord
So I got to tell you, so we have our weekly team meeting, and every week as a part of our team meeting, the last thing that happens is we have what we call ‘the fourth question.’ I don't even remember what the first, second or third questions were, but the fourth question …
Ronnie Richard
I was just thinking of this.
Justin McCord
… it's a rotating host, and they just get to ask something about, you know, whatever they want, whatever they want the fourth question to be that week. And today, Grace, who you met backstage at the shift show, Grace, her question was, what's one hobby that you would like to spend more time on? Something that you've never invested time in that you're interested in. Ronnie's answer was pickleball, and my answer was fishing. And so, here we are.
Carlos Whittaker
My gosh, sounds like the three of us are about to take a five-day pickleball/fly-fishing vacation. That's what needs to happen. Yeah. Yes, I am. Yes, I am. OK. OK. OK. Got it. Yeah. If we ...
Justin McCord
Now, here's the, I'm gonna add one dimension because you're a Nashville SC season ticket holder. I'm an FC Dallas season ticket holder. And Ronnie is very anti-soccer. So we gotta get him on our trip. We gotta work in a couple of soccer matches to help convert him.
Carlos Whittaker
Yeah, all it's gonna take is, all it's gonna take―I don't know, Ronnie, if you've been to a soccer game with Justin, like, with Justin, but I think that all it's gonna take is he needs to go with us, and then we can teach him the songs. He can, you know, he can have the scarf around his neck. He'd, he'd be all in real quick.
Ronnie Richard
Well, I've been a Dallas Mavericks season ticket holder, but this is probably the last season of that after everything that happened, so maybe I make the shift, right?
Carlos Whittaker
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What a great, what a great time to transition to FC Dallas. That's amazing. That is amazing. I love it.
Ronnie Richard
Right?
Justin McCord
Man, we, we love what you continue to do and love the fact that you spent that evening with us. So, it was, it was so great. So we're just thankful and full of gratitude for the work that you continue to do. And I hope that you realize that all Arcadians will continue to edify Carlos's work, and we're just thankful and full of gratitude for the work that you continue to do. We love that there are people like you that do what you do,
Carlos Whittaker
You do. Wow. Well, just allow me to be an honorary Arcadian the rest of my life, and I'm good. Deal. Give me a little pen or something. Yeah.
Justin McCord
Deal, we'll get you a little red pen. We'll work it out.
All right, man, thanks for hanging out with us.
Carlos Whittaker
Man, that was awesome guys.
Justin McCord
Pretty easy.
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